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From Corporate to 'Fempires': Healing Money Wounds and Achieving Financial Freedom with Emily June Wilcox
Unlock the secrets to financial freedom and entrepreneurial success with our special guest, Emily June Wilcox, a wealth and business coach dedicated to guiding women entrepreneurs on their journey to heal money wounds.
Ever struggled with generational misunderstandings and setting boundaries in your modern career? Listen as we discuss the complexities of navigating parental expectations and protecting your budding ideas from premature criticism. Emily and I delve into practical strategies for reprogramming limiting beliefs inherited from parents, offering valuable insights on maintaining emotional well-being while pursuing unconventional career paths.
Understanding and healing money wounds is crucial for financial health. Emily explains the six core money wounds and shares her coaching methods that blend business strategy and energetics to unlock wealth potential. With resources like her book "Wounds to Wealth" and her signature program Money Wounds Medicine, Emily empowers women to build their "fempires" and achieve greatness.
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Welcome back to the show. Today I have an exciting guest for you guys Emily June Wilcox. She is a wealth and business coach, author, speaker, mother, and she's on a mission to help women entrepreneurs heal their money wounds, make more profit in business and build passive income so they can experience true financial freedom and time freedom. As you'll hear in our conversation, while she was building three, six and seven figure businesses e-com, agency and coaching she decided to ditch the belief that it had to be hard. She did that by tapping into her feminine energy to allow more ease and joy and support from her team. She uses energetics and strategy to help women build their fempires I love that fempires and walk the joyous path to millions.
Speaker 1:You can also hear more from Emily on her top 2% global podcast, the Joyous Path to Millions, which I'll actually be getting interviewed on this week. So that's exciting. I will link all of her links in the show notes for you guys to go and find her for website. She has a fun money wound quiz you can take and follow her on Instagram. So without further ado, let's jump in and enjoy. So welcome. I'm excited to chat and I know we connected recently. We both have a love of money and entrepreneurship and nervous system regulation. But we didn't really get into like your story and your background. So I would love if you could just kind of like walk us through you know, if you started in corporate, how you made your way here, just like your story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean I was in corporate, like business to business sales for a long time and I thought I was so smart because I had picked a career where I had a lot of autonomy over my schedule and I thought it would be so great for working mothers. I saw a lot of examples of that and while I was out on maternity leave with my daughter my firstborn my husband convinced me that we should start this little side hustle business. He was involved in Amazon at the time and just seeing like so many brands absolutely crush it on that marketplace, and so we started creating baby onesies with like fun, cute phrases on it and that kind of thing and selling those on Amazon. And then I go back to work you know, my baby's still tiny and I'm driving around Los Angeles, I've got pumps attached to both boobs, I'm paying someone else a thousand dollars to watch my kid and I was like this is not it, this ain't it. And so that was really when the seed of entrepreneurship was planted for me, and it was like maybe, maybe you know over time what we thought would be a little side hustle to just like fill our daughter's college fund. Well, what, if that could you know, replace my multi. You know my six-figure plus salary. And I could do it differently with the next time around. You know kiddo number two. So that became the goal. And so, you know, fast forward three years. We've sold over a million dollars in baby onesies on Amazon.
Speaker 2:I would wake up in the morning, be a good mama, go to work, be a good mom again in the afternoon and evening, put my daughter to bed and work like a solid three hours on our e-commerce business.
Speaker 2:And you know, although it was doing really well, it wasn't between cash flow and needing to reinvest in inventory and seasonality of products. It didn't feel steady enough or like there was quite enough profit for me to leave my job. But I was pregnant with number two and one of our mentors was like, hey, you're the go-to Amazon people. Everybody asks you about how they can sell more and this should be a business. And so my husband and I started an Amazon marketing agency alongside of our e-commerce business and it was like those two things together, plus a hope and a prayer and some divine intervention and some maternity leave money like all of that combined made it so that I could leave my job and that, you know, that was six and a half years ago and I've never looked back, and it's pretty wild. At this point, I've generated $8 million in lifetime business revenue, so it's definitely been a journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing and it's so inspirational because a lot of my listeners are moms and women entrepreneurs, some single moms. So it's like it's so amazing when we can hear these stories from someone who has done it, because then it's that ability for ourselves to do it as well. So that's just amazing and I totally know what you mean. I remember with my oldest I lived in Marin County, right outside of San Francisco.
Speaker 1:I would drop my daughter off she was like seven at the time to before care at 7am. I'd have to take walks to San Francisco, be there all day. She'd be in aftercare until 6pm and I was like this is not like she would come home with pictures of you know me working at home. And she was like Mom, I wish you would work from home. Which way before anyone was really working Right. And then my, when I got pregnant with my second, I was like I read the Tim Ferriss four hour work week and made it happen. I was like I'm not doing this again, like what you? Yeah again. And I did. I figured out how to create a work from home situation before it was even like popular.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's amazing, awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like when we're moms and we have kids who are just like. They need us, you know, and it's just yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just like in an instant, reorients all of your priorities. And you know, of course we have all these different hormones and everything. And it was like I just knew in my bones like this is not the design. We're not meant to be anywhere other than with our children when they're little like that. And it was so surprising to me because my mom worked from home, my sisters worked from home, so I just I always or not worked from home, sorry, they worked outside the home yeah, they were working moms. So I just thought that that was what I would do, but it was like no, I have to be with my kid. And so entrepreneurship for me was not about making a ton of money or even making more money than what I made. I was like dude, if I can like somehow survive on something similar and I can work and be present with my babies when they're little like that, that's wonderful, that is success for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally, and so did you. I'm just curious how this like shaped things for you. But did you grow up with a lot of limiting money beliefs or like, if you did, like what are some and like that you were able to push through?
Speaker 2:Oh for sure, yeah, so I mean, I've literally written a book on it at this point, but that's coming out soon, right? Yes, yeah, I don't know when this is going to be released, but the book comes out September 24th and it's called Wounds to Wealth the life-changing method of diagnosing and healing your money wounds to receive more wealth. And so, yeah, I mean I was walking around with a lot of undiagnosed, unhealed money wounds, and I didn't even have that language, because of course, we don't talk about money. But essentially, one of the big hurdles for me is that in my household, growing up, money was the root of all conflict, and so my coping mechanism was to try not to want or need anything and to really suppress my desires because I didn't want to be a burden. You know, I was just like very aware of what my parents were already paying for and I didn't like want to add to that, even though I did like I still wanted all the stuff. But it was just this internal resistance of trying to not be a burden.
Speaker 2:I grew up in the Midwest and so work ethic is very, it's very praised and it is everywhere, but I think they're like especially in the Midwest, you know, where it's a lot of like blue collar work, factory work, a lot of farming. So you know, I really wore that like a badge of honor as well, Like I was very I was a very high output person and that felt good to me to be making like significant contribution. But I never considered like myself in that equation. I I definitely had some concerns around my belonging and whether that would be threatened if I achieved a certain level of wealth, and so the subconscious belief that I had was I will be judged if I'm too wealthy unless I have to work really hard and it takes a long time and people really know how hard I worked for it, then it will be okay. And so that's what I was playing out without realizing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally no. I mean same thing. In my family. Money was conflict. My mom's very religious, so she would always say the money's the root of all evil, which isn't even the correct quote from the Bible.
Speaker 1:I've learned since then and still she doesn't quite get what I do. Oh, I'm curious if your family supports you and what you do. But she actually told me the other day because she knows I run, I have a CFO company that I own and run, which is a six-figure company, and then I have a CFO company that I own and run, which is a six-figure company, and then I have my coaching business as well. And she'll always ask me well, is that call making you money? Like whenever I have a podcast, you have to choose. And I'm like no, I don't have to choose, that's what's making. Yeah, no, it's like I was dealing with that for so long growing up and it's like I've, you know, was dealing with that for so long growing up. And it's like I've undone so much and I feel like there's still a little bit to undo. Like the I was always rewarded when I got A's, so like I've had that programmed in that working really hard and being like the best is when I'll get whatever it is I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same on, like the type A high achieving, like you know, over a 4.0 GPA kind of deal. My mom also doesn't fully understand what I do. I mean, how could our parents, like you know, like I still don't really understand like Snapchat and stuff, which is like what my nephews use to communicate, and so it's like I imagine that they'll probably be doing careers that won't make a ton of sense to me either? Yeah, you know, because they're just going to be leveraging technology. That's not second nature. It's like, well, podcasts didn't even exist, you know, like in our parents' formative years. So it's like I guess they could understand being like a radio talk show host.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, so there's some lack of understanding for sure. You know, my mom in particular will sometimes like project her limiting beliefs or like her limitations onto me, but what I've learned and it's taken, you know, a lot of inner child healing and then also, I guess, boundary work, but not really in the sense of like having to tell her like here are my terms and here's what we can talk about or we can't, but just like more the energetic work is, it's like I don't, I don't seek that kind of approval from my parents anymore and it's like I don't need them to understand, and so we. There's just a lot that we don't talk about, you know, because it just it wouldn't be fruitful. There's an Oracle deck card that's.
Speaker 2:That's called like new idea, guarded vigilantly, and it's got this image of like a tiny little you know plant that's just like popped out of the ground and the idea is like when you have something new, it actually does need to be guarded.
Speaker 2:Like that new little sapling does need a fence around it or it's going to get trampled. Once it's a giant oak tree, it doesn't need so much protection and it's like, you know, that's definitely more the phase of life that my husband and I are in now. You know like there were times when, like his parents didn't really understand, like they thought he was unemployed. You know my parents called to like see if we needed financial support, like when the pandemic hit, and like it was so sweet, but it's like it just came from a lack of understanding. But it's like now we have more of an oak tree, just in the sense that they're like well, somehow, six years later, like they're living in like a sweet house and they've never once come and asked us for money and like things must be all right, and that's about the extent of what they understand, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, no, that's so true because, yeah, podcasts didn't exist. And I think I've been doing the same thing with my mom, with boundaries as like before. I used to have a very codependent relationship with her where I felt like I had to tell her everything. And now I'm just like if I have a call, because I moved back with them after my divorce to restructure, so unfortunately I have to talk to her quite a bit about things, but if I have a call, I'll just say like it's a work call, just to avoid even having to go down that road.
Speaker 1:Because, that way, it's me like protecting my energy, protecting what I'm doing, and I don't feel like I have to defend myself or something you know. So, yeah, it's so interesting because, yeah, my daughter, she talks to her friends on Snapchat and I don't really know how it works either, so it's a very metaphor, yeah, exactly, but it's, it's good.
Speaker 2:And at least with my mom, like even when I was in college, she would sometimes call and be like you know when's that exam, or like how you feeling prepared for it, and it felt to me like anxious energy or almost like nagging energy. I really didn't like it, but looking back on it, I actually think she just wanted to know what was going on in my life, you know, and those were like the questions she could think to ask and she just like wanted to feel involved and participate. And so it's possible like that. That's the case with your mom too, and it just, it just like comes off and like an off-putting way because she is like trying to contribute something useful, yeah, but through like her limited understanding.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and I try to explain. Sometimes we do have good conversations about it, but then other times she just doesn't get it. But yeah, so I've, so I've, I've handled my, my, my children much differently, just not that she did anything wrong, she's the best she could. But, like um, I just chose to handle things differently with my kids. And yeah so I'm just curious if you could share like a few tools you use to help, like reprogram some of those limiting beliefs For sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:So what I found really helpful is first naming them, and so that's why. That's why when I kind of downloaded this whole methodology around money wounds, it was really helpful, because I find that when we sort of just lump like money mindset issues all together, it's a little harder to sort of parse out what's actually happening, because the root cause actually is never money, it's just different things being projected onto money. But understanding what the root cause is allows us to be much more potent and targeted in our treatment. And so there are six core money wounds. There's the money shame wound I'm not worthy of wealth. The evil money wound being rich is bad or wrong. The money trust wound I don't trust myself with money. The hard money wound making money is hard. The safe money wound I'm not going to feel safe until I have this big financial cushion. And the disappearing money wound I don't trust money. Money is always leaving. Because while we all have money wounds, we're not our wound.
Speaker 2:And just like with a medical issue, you know, when you just kind of have these mystery symptoms, it can be really difficult to understand what's going on and heal. But as soon as we have a diagnosis, it's like that typically comes with greater understanding, a more targeted treatment and, like this, real path forward, right? So Mahatma Gandhi says a diagnosis is three-fourths the remedy. So we start there and I have a free quiz. You can go to moneywoundsquizcom and find out what your top money wounds are. And so then and I take readers through this in the book but essentially my methodology is to learn the root cause of each wound, apply the unique medicine that works for what. That root cause kind of original symptom is healing. And there are specific practices that are unique to each of the wounds, but typically we're building new evidence, so we're looking at things with a new perspective from the mind, and then with the body we're doing things that sort of help dislodge those stored traumas so that we can feel differently.
Speaker 2:And then the last step is alchemizing that wound into wealth. So you know, and I know, that electricity can be created by a dam, right? So you've got a river that's supposed to be rushing and so it's got all of this moving energy, and then you put a dam in place. Well, all of that energy is still there and because the water can't go anywhere, that energy can be harnessed for electricity. And if I were to ask you. You know which has more electricity four rivers that are dammed up or one river that's dammed up. You would agree that four have more right.
Speaker 2:And when we have unhealed money wounds, we have dams that are blocking the flow of wealth into our lives. And so one of the biggest myths that people have is that they're just too broken. Or people come to me and be like I have all six of the money wounds and it's like what they're communicating without saying. It is like, well, I'm just really effed up. And it's like, well, I'm just really effed up. And it's like, well, actually you're just full of wealth potential because there's money that wants to flow to you and you've just been blocking it. And if you've been blocking it in four different ways or in six different ways instead of in one way, that just means that you've got even more wealth potential. That's there, and as soon as you do the healing work now you've got these new channels of wealth that are flowing in.
Speaker 1:I love that. That is such a great metaphor because when you were explaining the different wounds, I was like, oh, yep, I had. I remember one time I won this lawsuit and it was like six figures, I blew through it in a year because at that time I hadn't even done any money. You know, mindset work. I didn't know what my money blocks were and I realized after I didn't feel safe with money and I just yeah, but oh, even though I had that and a six figure job, and I was like couldn't even pay my rent, like my rent. And so it's very much in alignment as well with something my intuitive teacher talks about in general, with potential, Like what you're saying is exactly what he says to us, as well as like you have all this energy and you can actually, you know, once you learn how to control it, you're like even more powerful like even more powerful.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean, the actual definition of alchemy is a magical process of transmutation, so it's like changing one thing into another thing, and and that's exactly what we do, because, um, you know, there's never like a void or a vacuum right in nature. So once we clear out a money wound, then this energy is freed up. But we want to put something in too so that there isn't this void, and so what we're putting in in the Wounds to Wealth alchemy activation process is all of the wealth codes that are held within sort of the opposite of that wound, and it's a really cool process and it makes a tremendous difference. You know, and the story that you shared about getting this extra six figures and somehow it's gone, you know, lottery winners are a perfect example of that too.
Speaker 2:You know, it's when you add more money in the presence of unhealed money wound. The outcome isn't everyone's happy and rich, unfortunately. And even when they've got a seven or eight or nine figures to their name got seven or eight or nine figures to their name it's like we can see through the data over lots and lots and lots of years that they end up back where they started within five years, if not worse, they're more likely to declare bankruptcy than had they not won the lottery. And so the key is that we want the money, but we also really want to enjoy the money and we want to be good stewards of the money and we don't want to feel anxious. And you know, that was my big aha that really drove me to all this work. So the Amazon marketing agency that we started, you know, we built it up, we had a team, we were trending towards our first seven-figure year. I was the CEO, ceo and my goal was $100,000 cash a month and I was in this really bro mastermind. So I was, of course, doing it the real hustle and grind kind of a way, and it was like every day we had to write at the top of our planner what our goal was. It was like $100,000 cash a month and break it down into all the things that you were going to do. And you know, finally, finally, finally, after really working towards it, I hit the goal and I thought I was going to feel so safe and so successful and like I'd made it, and I thought the business was finally going to feel a little more stable and predictable.
Speaker 2:And we hit the goal and I noticed myself not wanting to celebrate. I'm like this is weird. I know I should celebrate. So I was, like you know, trying to like get myself to schedule a dinner and things like that. I'm like why am I avoiding this? And when I really tapped into how I was feeling, I was feeling anxious and unsettled and mind really wanted to know, like, is this a thing? Do we have to do this again next month and the month after that? And if so, how? Like how do we keep this up? And so it was like this big moment where I thought the pressure was going to come off.
Speaker 2:It didn't feel that way at all and I was like you know, if $100,000 cash received in a single month can't make me feel the way I want to feel, then it's time to stop just changing the goal and it's time to dive into the inner work, because I think I've got it all wrong and I'm looking, you know I'm looking externally for something that's really the internal work and you know, I, just I, I share that story every chance I get, because we don't just want the goal. What we actually want is how we think we're going to feel when we hit the goal. Yeah, and we're often really bad at predicting that, and so it's like it would be much more fulfilling to go fulfilling, to go after that feeling and just to create those feelings than to go after the goal that you think is going to make you feel that way. That probably won't anyway, and you know how many times have we felt disappointed or depressed or whatever after something that should have been a real shining achievement?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think that's so helpful too for people to hear. It's like and once I understood that as well, because I kept like thinking, once I make this, I'm going to just, I'm going to feel better, I'm going to feel relieved and it was like, no, I can actually make myself start feeling that now and then you know, like what changes internally will be reflected externally, and just trying to also have patience with that. But that's great, because I was going to ask you if you had advice for entrepreneurs who, for me, for example, I launched my company a year ago, my CFO company, and it's a six-figure company. What would you say to someone who has their eye on reaching their next goal becoming a seven-figure company without falling into that trap?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so kind of shifting from six to seven figures, there's, you know, like the strategic and tactical, and then there's the mindset and energetics, and so from kind of a strategic know what's the most effortless way to bring on more clients and service them, and that kind of thing. And you know our agency is it's all fully done for you. So we're not. You know, I think a lot of times when people think scalable, they're thinking like digital offers or evergreen programs or things like that, because that's so common in the coaching space. But in our agency, you know, we've got a full team. We do our full project scope for our clients, but often at the six-figure level, the CEO or the founder is involved in the doing and to get to the seven-figure level, typically the founder is kind of the celebrity, the face of the brand, is creating a lot of the relationships, is often still involved in kind of the scoping or the proposal part of the business, but then has a full handoff to a team that's in place. And that's really important because we energetically block sales if we don't really want to do the work. Yeah, and so it's like when you're the one selling it, but you know that everything you're selling you're going to have to do and you don't really want to do it. It's like you just will energetically repel new clients and so a lot of going to that seven figure level is getting so clean on, like it would feel so great to sell this. I would really enjoy that. And then I know I've got a team in place that can handle it. From there and I'm just like passing the baton and you know, with coaching it's it's a lot more like group programs or you know, again like one to many kinds of things.
Speaker 2:And then I think, from mindset and energetics, a lot of it is like what feels the easiest, what feels fun, like if I could wave a magic wand and this was the way that it could happen, how would I want it to happen? And then just sort of willing to have it come as fast as you can align to it, which may not be that fast. I mean, my experience in business so far is that always feels slow when I'm in it. And then I look back on things and I'm like, oh yeah, that actually happened pretty fast, like wow, I can't believe we did that in just three years or whatever. But like during the three years it didn't feel fast at all. It felt slow, we felt behind, and I don't know if everyone's this way, but I think again, like if you have, if your uh proclivity is towards being like type a high achieving like uh, get the good grades, kind of a thing, like you're just more likely to probably feel like it's taking a pain, it's like painstakingly slow process, and then you'll look back and be like, oh dang, wow, that actually happened pretty fast. So I have to remind myself of that and work on it. But it's like I don't want it faster if it actually compromises my joy or my health or my time with my kids, my time with my kids.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think we're just not always meant to understand exactly what needs to change about ourselves or our business or whatever in order to hit X thing. It's like it's meant to be a mystery for us, like that is the whole setup and at a soul level we agreed to that and we were like giddy for that. And you know our human. It's like you know, you and I both studied RRT, so we understand.
Speaker 2:Like you know, this kind of like machine that we're in operates differently and there's a whole part of our brain that really puts a high value on predictability and eliminating unknowns and that anything unknown is unsafe, and so it's like we just there's kind of it creates this sort of natural resistance between what our soul wants and what our human wants, and so that's one of the things that I think is so cool about RRT is that we can get the unconscious mind more aligned to what we consciously want. But even then it's like there's still a choosing. I, you know, I just don't know anyone that's like oh yeah, that was just so easy and effortless.
Speaker 1:No, and even like my intuitive teacher teaches us, like he said, it's actually, if it takes you longer than you desire, it actually means it's more of like a soul path. It's like taking one grain of sand and putting it on the scale, one at a time. And you're because he's like so many people are trying to sell like overnight success and it's just OK. They might have become successful overnight, but it's going to be fleeting. It might not stay, you know, but it's going to be fleeting. It might not stay, you know, but it's the companies you build and that takes some time. That really like stick.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's often true, like the people who have a real like rollercoaster relationship with money or success, like there'll be. I mean no joke. I was in a mastermind with someone who you know publicly was celebrating like I just brought in 40K cash and this and that, and like it just seemed like fast, fast, fast, get in my world, everything's happening. And then, like the next month, she and her children got evicted from their apartment. Oh gosh. Next month, she and her children got evicted from their apartment.
Speaker 2:Oh, gosh and it's like I'm not interested in that type of roller coaster ride. No, with my finances. If it's an actual roller coaster, sure, but like I just don't have a kink for the high highs and the low lows, and so I would rather have it be more sustainable. And I also think that for some people where usually if it seems really fast, if you understand enough context of their story, it wasn't fast. That's the thing, like a lot of people omit the details.
Speaker 2:And there's a Steve Jobs quote that's like it never ceases to amaze me how long it takes to become an overnight success. Yeah, and I love that quote, but the ones that truly, where it does, you know, you can't find any evidence that it took time, it really just seemed to happen fast. You know, I believe that that's from past life mastery, yeah, and so it's like that's the other thing is we look, we look through this really narrow scope of this one life and it's like I don't know. I mean, it might have taken them like an extra 400 lifetimes than it's taking us, but we just can't see that. So it's like how do you even know what's, who's ahead or behind? And I think, the more we sort of surrender that and just try to appreciate our life now and where we're at now, you know the happier we are and, oddly, the faster things go like, the more you just slow down and appreciate you kind of just getting out of the way, and so the co-creative process can happen more quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally. And one of the things I found that I was and maybe you can speak to this is that I was blocking myself. I was in a group coaching program with Andrea Crowder in December and January and she was talking about hiring people and I really wanted to hire someone to take off some of my workload and I just felt so stuck and what I realized is I thought I had to hire someone and that I was going to be paying them a full-time salary, like all of this, and she was like, no, no, just hire someone, figure out how many hours you can pay them per week and just start there. And I did that. And now you know she does great work, the girl that I have, and you know, like if I had just done that sooner, I could have, you know, started expanding a little bit. So I don't know, did you feel like it's dense to like hiring your first person or what did that look like resistance to like hiring your?
Speaker 2:first person or what did that look like? That's a good question. I don't remember any resistance, but I will say that we started with offshore talent. So you know, like paying them really good living wages was like five or six dollars an hour at the time and so so that felt really doable. It never really felt Well. That's not true.
Speaker 2:I will say that my tolerance in my nervous system around salaries expanded over time and so it was like at first it felt good to hire offshore people where it was just like you know, $700 a month or something like that. And then we did some part-time and contractor stuff, kind of like it sounds like you did. And then we were trying to find people around like 50K, like something about that. Like 50K a year felt okay and good. And then, you know, slowly expanded to the point where it was like, okay, we can offer somebody like 70K, and you know, the highest paid person on our team right now, I think, is that like 140K or something like that, and that felt scary and actually like I still feel some sensation in my body when I say that number, which is like kind of laughable because we've I mean, I think she's been with us more than a year at this point and I think she really does the work of two $70,000 people or like maybe even more like it. It really has been such a wonderful hire.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's interesting how you just kind of have to expand your capacity over time.
Speaker 2:And I remember the first time I added it all up and realized that our payroll was $40,000 a month at that time and it was like all of a sudden that felt so scary, even though we had been paying it. It wasn't a new thing felt so scary Even though we had been paying it. It wasn't a new thing. But it was like I had just been seeing the line items for each person and when I added it all up and was like oh my God, we have to make $40,000 every month just to pay everyone, it like freaked me out. Pressure to foot them. Yeah. So I think it's just you know you build over time and that's why I love Andrea's advice of like just pick an amount of hours that feels okay, because you'll get used to it. You'll see like how much it increases your capacity, how you can bring on new clients, how it pays for itself, and then you know you'll feel brave enough to do the next one, or to increase hours and kind of go from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally, I'm at the point now where and I really trust her work, so I'm like, okay, I'm going to give her more and just like keep handing off more. And yeah, it's like it's taken me some time, but it's definitely like a nervous system thing. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, I would love for you to share how you currently work with people, like any programs coaching. You mentioned an agency. I would love for you to just share that for anyone listening who'd like to work with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my coaching is like a mix. It's business coaching, for sure, but it's a mix of strategy and energetics, which everyone has probably gathered from this conversation. So I do take one-on-one clients, I have a small group mastermind for women entrepreneurs, and then my signature program is called Money Wounds Medicine. So that's where I take students through the full diagnosing and healing of their money wounds, the full alchemization into new pathways of wealth. I do a lot of it. You just get on demand. There's tons and tons of material that's already created. But then I do live coaching calls throughout the year and it's lifetime access.
Speaker 2:So that's a great way for people to jump in if they're feeling like most drawn to just cleaning up their money stuff. That's a great way for people to jump in if they're feeling like most drawn to just cleaning up their money stuff. Because until we do that, we're our own upper limit problem and it kind of doesn't really matter what strategy we employ. That's what I've learned. It's like if the energetics are right, any strategy works. The energetics are wrong, none of the strategies work.
Speaker 2:And you know, I just like that's like my, my table. I would put up that, that with the sign that says fight me, you know, like you see those memes online, fight me on that one, because that's just been my what's true for me over and over again and it's been true for my clients. And you know, now I have clients hitting their first seven figure years and multi six figure years and that kind of thing. But it's always been about who they believe they are, what they believe they're capable and deserving of. And it's like, once we get that all dialed in and we change around their business so that they're not like doing the things they hate and treating themselves like a workhorse, then it's like, what do you know? All of a sudden it's all working and they're making more money and they're enjoying their life a lot more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's so true. And where can people find you? And I'll link everything in the show notes as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm on social media, at mmakemoney or Emily June Wilcox, you can search my name. The book is available on Amazon. It's called Wounds to Wealth. You can also go to woundstowealthcom to get the links to purchase and then, if you want to take the free money quiz to diagnose your money wounds, that's at moneywoundsquizcom.
Speaker 1:Perfect, I will link all of that and then can people pre what's it called Pre-order.
Speaker 2:Pre-order. Yeah, it's like pre-purchase. We don't have a pre-order. I do have a wait list. So you know, for early access you can just jump on my email list or if you connect with me on socials, I promise you will not miss the book launch. I'll be shouting it from the rooftop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure. How fun. Well, I'm excited. Yeah, well, anything else that you would want to share before we go, you know?
Speaker 2:I just the sense that I'm getting from you and the conversation we're having and so I suspect all of the women entrepreneurs listening is that if you're listening to this, you're someone who is really devoted to a great life, Like you're not satisfied with good, you want a great life, You're willing to introspect, You're willing to do the hard things to make that possible. You want to be the woman in your family that will break generational curses, that will do it differently. That's planting the seeds of abundance for yourself and your family. And I just want to say that you're doing an awesome job. You're probably doing a lot better than you give yourself credit for. And just keep going and lean into pleasure, lean into joy and keep putting one foot in front of the other, and one day you're going to turn around and just be absolutely blown away at how far you've come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is so beautiful, Thank you, it's. I know I don't think we take enough time to really appreciate, like, what we've done. I'm trying to get better at that, like even celebrating the little things and it, you know, it's always like, okay, got that done, what's next? And it's like, yeah, it's really taking the time to appreciate where we're at and where we're going. So, thank you, that's beautiful, you're welcome.